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Undercurrents indicate change in SBC

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Clock 29. June 2009 by Norman Jameson, BR Editor
Even though the Great Commission Resurgence grabbed the headlines, three undercurrents of young pastors, John Calvin and Mark Driscoll pulled like riptides through the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) annual meeting in Louisville June 23-24.

“Young pastors” for years have been the blossoms tended in the Baptist nursery, youth group, college and seminary vineyard.

It seemed just as they ripened into edible, reproducible fruit, they would fall from the vine and become detached from their Southern Baptist identity.

Their big question in several venues was “Why should I be a Southern Baptist?”

During a panel discussion not a part of the SBC, but which all the high profile principals endorsed and attended at Sojourn Community Church, the microphone flew back and forth like a hot potato when the moderator asked, “Why should I support my Baptist State Convention?” Southern Baptist Theological Seminary President Al Mohler finally grabbed it and said pastors and churches “forfeit the right to speak into the situation if you don’t support it financially.”

Note that when given a chance to enumerate a long list of Southern Baptist initiatives and achievements that merit support, including funding the seminaries most of the young pastors were attending, the rationale to support the Convention was to earn the right to “speak into the situation.”

This is something every denominational leader who nods to the notion that we want young pastors to be on board with Convention ministries needs to understand. These guys don’t necessarily want to join the parade in progress.

They are committed, passionate and eager and would like to march in front with the 76 trombones, not bring up the back with the bucket until they have achieved some mythical level of age and experience.

Young pastors sense that for the first time they have real advocates at the highest levels of denominational life and it showed in what the SBC registration secretary said was the youngest convention crowd in a long, long time. Three of the four sermons interpreting the theme “Love Loud” were from preachers in their 30s.

SBC President Johnny Hunt is a strong mentor personally and through events at his church. He bought lunch for every one of the 400-500 who attended the panel discussion at Sojourn.

Southeastern Seminary President Danny Akin, 52, is suddenly on every program of substance to which the young pastors flock while more traditional offerings go wanting for attendance.

Akin leads an institution whose purpose is to educate young pastors and other church staff, and he provides opportunities for them to hear, meet and network with non-traditional speakers.

This student generation rejects the notion that no one outside the traditional SBC speaker circuit has anything to offer.

Al Mohler, 50 in a few months, and already president of Southern Baptists’ oldest seminary for 17 years, understands in a visceral way young pastors’ impatience to incorporate their vision into Southern Baptist life without having to wait for gray hair. In part because Southern was celebrating its 150th anniversary, Mohler seemed ever visible at the convention.

These three rule the Big Top as of June 2009. Are they universally adored? Of course not. But they have the courage, audacity, passion, resources, impatience and the crowd of young pastors behind them to color the SBC in a hue they find more attractive and prepared to meet spiritual, cultural and demographic challenges today — not tomorrow.

John Calvin, born 500 years ago, is one of two men prominent in the meeting, although not present. He is the theological hero of many young pastors and the other prominent but not present figure was Mark Driscoll, a pastor in Seattle, who might be their alter ego.

By all accounts Southern Seminary is a Calvinist institution now and Mohler believes that is a return to our oldest seminary’s roots. A survey last year said 30 percent of all our seminary graduates consider themselves Calvinist.

Southern Baptist Convention Executive Committee President Morris Chapman took them all on in his report.

He spoke so strongly against Calvinistic theology that Akin found it necessary to apologize for him to his “Calvinist brothers and sisters” at the Sojourn meeting. Akin does not consider himself a five-point Calvinist but there is room in his friend quiver for those who do.

In discussions of the Great Commission Resurgence motion, one messenger said a task force is unnecessary because Baptists can’t even agree on what the gospel says about salvation.

He said Calvinists would eventually split or destroy the Convention.

That kind of comment in another day would likely have killed any proposal. Instead, it was basically ignored and Mohler’s motion for Hunt to name a Great Commission Resurgence task force was approved overwhelmingly.

Young pastors find helpful networks or create them. Acts 29 is a church planting network magnetic to those who believe the best way to impact lostness is to plant churches that will plant churches.

For instance, J.D. Greear, pastor of The Summit in Durham, wants his church to plant 1,000 others during his lifetime.

And Acts 29 is Calvinistic. If the Convention will be a homing place for this generation, it will be open to non-traditional relationships.

While church planting rises as the de facto Baptist evangelism strategy, disagreements rise over methodology.

Hunt might put a half million dollars into a church plant in Las Vegas, while a state convention would fund a church planter with $14,400 a year for two years. There must be room for various methods.

On the annual meeting’s first day, one motion after another urged the Convention to disassociate from Mark Driscoll, pastor of Mars Hill Church in Seattle and an Acts 29 founder.

They asked that his books be taken from LifeWay book stores; that SBC entities that invite him to speak at their conferences report any costs for those meetings and finally that Akin, Southeastern Seminary evangelism professor Alvin Reid and Ed Stetzer, president of LifeWay Research be “investigated,” evidently for association with and defense of Driscoll. Driscoll is a plain speaking pastor building a large church in what could be America’s least churched region.

While people in the genteel south might not appreciate his candor, young pastors and their leaders understand he offers insights from his field and they are not willing to separate themselves from that input.

Driscoll is another barometer that says a generational shift has traditional messengers and denominational staff leadership pushing against walls that will not hold.

Ready or not, stamping, snorting, sniffing young bulls are pawing impatiently at the SBC structures.
 
Other observations
The Great Commission Resurgence, proposed by SBC President Hunt and written primarily by Akin, was front and center not only of the two-day SBC meeting, but also of ancillary meetings in the two days before that.

Many Baptist state convention executive directors remain cool to the idea, although it captured the imagination of messengers.

Any leader with a wet finger in the air will feel the wind blows toward the Great Commission Resurgence. After decades of unease since the “conservative resurgence” failed to inspire Baptists to greater missions effectiveness there is a clear eagerness for something, anything to jumpstart our cold batteries.

Hunt said “it all starts with the churches” and he is right. Task forces can reveal, report and recommend but with the autonomy of SBC agencies, state conventions, associations and churches, no task force can impose a papist ruling.

One goal is to conduct this review to show church members they can support state, national and international efforts with increased confidence – and hopefully at increased levels.

Three with North  Carolina ties are on the 18-member GCR task force: Akin, Greear and Al Gilbert, pastor of Calvary Baptist Church in Winston-Salem.

Baptist State Convention of North Carolina Executive Director-treasurer Milton Hollifield was named to the North American Great Commission task force of the North American Mission Board (NAMB).

NAMB recognized the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina for leading all state conventions in gifts to the 2008 Annie Armstrong Easter Offering for North American missions.

Steve Rummage was elected SBC second vice president. He is now from Bell Shoals Baptist Church in Brandon, Fla., but just left Charlotte’s Hickory Grove Baptist Church in May.

C.J. Bordeaux of Durham and Cindy Bush of Wake Forest were named to the Committee on Nominations.

Business sessions rolled like a freight train on a decline. When the SBC declared Broadway Baptist Church in Fort Worth, Texas as “no longer in friendly cooperation” messengers were referred only to a business item in the daily bulletin without Broadway’s name ever being mentioned. When resolutions passed on the closing morning, they were not read or discussed, simply referred to by item number in the daily bulletin.

All the music during worship times was praise music. I heard nary a traditional hymn.

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posted Monday, June 29, 2009 8:54 PM | Report Abuse
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Tom Stone-Erdman
If Southern Baptists are so interested in John Calvin why don't they just become Presbyterians like I did many years ago?

posted Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:24 AM | Report Abuse
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Brent Hobbs
Tom, Because we prefer biblical baptism and congregational church polity, among other reasons. But I have much respect for our Presbyterian brothers.

posted Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:11 PM | Report Abuse
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Tom Stone-Erdman
Thanks Brent. To be honest with you I'm not sure just how much the Presbyterian Church follows Calvinism anymore. Southern Baptists are probably better at it than we are. There are times I miss being a Southern Baptist. I always check out their websites. They are much more interesting than anything the PCUSA has going on. Take care and God bless you and yours!

posted Thursday, July 02, 2009 11:04 AM | Report Abuse
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Gene Scarborough
Wow, Norman--

In a nutshell you have characterized the SBC meeting accurately from the various sources I have read. I appreciate your candor.

The closing remarks are especially important to me: nothing but contemporary music and a train rolling down hill on motions / resolutions.

In the "good old days" nothing was taken from the Executive Committee without serious debate. Nor were we trying to be so contemporary that no traditional songs were sung. What a change!

I appreciate the new presence of young pastors, but it is clear they are not happy with the current SBC. Al Mohler seems to be taking an "out on the limb" position with respect Calvinism. From all I see as he was editor of the Christian Index and quickly promoted to Southern Seminary, he has become an example of the "Peter Principle"--ie, he has risen to the level of his incompentency.

In past history, one never rose to his level without first proving his dedication and intelligence at lesser responsibilities. Right now, to have such a firebrand as President of the oldest SBC educational institution, seems to promote the monkeys climbing trees to show the world their tails.

Danny Aikin says he is far removed from Calvinism. HOWEVER, my recent discussions with SEBTS students indicates the faculty is not in lock step with their President. I happen to live only 40-minutes from Wake Forest so I have a front row seat to what is going on. We have a foreign student body and faculty from traditional SBC thinking.

I just had a new student work a day for me and, I believe, he is typical of what kind of student is coming to SEBTS. He is from the midwest and Missionary Alliance church. He is a graduate of Liberty University. In short, he has NO real background with personal knowledge of what Southern Baptists are and have been. He knows nothing of RA's or GA's, nor what local church Autonomy means. He is an innocent student with no way to measure the validity of what is currently being taught at Southesatern relative to what Baptists of the South really are.

Scary, isn't it??

We are in such a new day without historical roots, I fear we may become Calvinists with a smile. What history I read currently is badly distorted as if Calvin were our spiritual father. This is CERTAINLY not true. I remember they late 50's when the Norris "Trail of Blood" study course tried to convince my teenage self we came directly from John the Baptist rather than the Protestant Reformation. What a bunch of hog wash!!

I also remember the former Irish Catholic priest who worked for the Home MIssion Board who fumed about the "lostness" of Catholics and how they tried to literally kill him for leaving. Although I have no reason to doubt his personal fear and threat of death, I certainly learned better about the Roman Catholic Church as I studied Church History in the honest 1967-70 days of my student sojourn at SEBTS. I'm not sure that kind of education is available anymore at any of our seminaries since the "cleansing" in the 80's.

Like Norman, I long for the days when traditional hymns were sung alongside the newer ones. I remember when young preachers came because they belonged fully to the SBC and were listened to alongside the "old heads." The country was pretty well torn up in the 70's over Viet Nam and the religious right, BUT the SBC was NOT. Since we became conservative enough for Jerry Fallwell to want to join us...you know the rest of the story.

Thanks, again, Norman for a good and well-rounded report, in my opinion. I agree with your concerns. Who knows what the future holds?

By the way, I am visiting my son and family in upper Michigan (Traverse City). Here, they could care less what we did in Louisville!! Maybe they would IF we were more down-to-earth and seemed to care this country is in a Depression / Recession. Even if we failed to acknowledge much about the country, the only stuff going here today is Michael Jackson's death.

Man, that is surely important!! Would he have been welcomed at Broadway? You be the judge.

posted Tuesday, July 07, 2009 12:32 PM | Report Abuse
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Dr. James Willingham
Regarding the Calvinistic views (better termed Sovereign Grace as people were dying for the doctrines of grace (praised in the most popular of all Christian hymns, Amazing Grace)before John Calvin was ever converted), it might be appropriate to consider the folowing statement by James Petigru Boyce (first President of the Southern Baptit theological Seminary) at the funeral of Dr. Basil Manly, Sr.: "In his doctrinal sentiments, Dr. Manly was a decided Calvinist." Dr. Manly was the person who suggested the founding of Southern Seminary. circa 1835, and he served as the President of the Educational Conventions that established the seminary (1856-59). Then he served as the first President of the Board of Trustees. His son drew up the Abstract of Principles, and astute observes will note a tie between it and the Sandy Creek Confession of 1816. Basil, Sr., served on the Committee that drew up the latter Confession. The chairman of the committee that drew up Sandy Creek Assn.'s 1816 Confession was the Father of Missions among southern Baptists, Rev. Luther Rice. Neither Rice nor Manly were given to being contentious about the doctrines of grace. Indeed, their sense of wanting to work together responsibly was derived from those very teachings. Like the Apostle Paul (Acts 18:9,10), they were moved to labor by the hope that God had much people in the places of their labors or the places whre they would labor. The Calvinism of that day was far more liberal than even the so-called liberals of our day. After all, you have Puritan Baptists, like Shubal Stearns and Daniel Marshall who ordained Eldresses, and others who persuaded General Baptists to become believers in Particular Redemption (so-called Limited Atonement). Still others united the Separate and Regular Baptists and made both parties feel like they were gainers by the compromises (allowing that the preaching that Christ tasted death shall be no bar to communion - which implies at the very least the the majority view was that he tasted death essentially for the elect. Mt. Pisgah Baptist Church from whence came Matthew Yates the first missionary to China was organized in 1814, and it only knew of Christ dying for the Church - not every body! First Baptist Church New Bern, NC spoke in its records of Particular Redemption. And then these Baptists of that day were able to work with politically astute people like Washington, Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, et. al., and they secured the blessings of religious liberty for us. Funny, how the seemingly most conservative were the most liberal and the most effective and yet stuck by their seemingly archaic theology. Maybe it was not archaic. Maybe it was and is more contemporary and deeper than we ever knew, involving as it does, paradoxes of the most infinite perplexities and complexities. As one who has studied intellectual history and wound up being listed in a Who's Who in that area of life and study, I found the theology of our Founders' day utterly fascinating for its depth, its passionate evangelism, its willingness to tackle the world in missionary effort (begun by five point Calvinists no less). I am not particulr concerned to be called a Calvinist as I do not believe in religious persecution for any reason, admy aim is nt to make Calvinists but Christians. I do love the doctrines of grace as the best explanations of the verses on salvation found in the Bible. My ordaining pastor, Dr. Ernest R. Campbell, was a supralapsarian, a hyper-calvinist, and he said so from the pulpit and person to person. He founded the American Race Track Chaplaincy (cf. Who's Who in Religion, 2nd edn, Chicago: Marquis, 1977). He preached one revival in a country church in GA and had 100 conversions. He served on the Committee that had Billy Graham to preach the Columbia Crusade, the first after the Los Angles Crusade that launched Billy's career. Dr. R. G. Lee, who was a five point calvinist, put it in his will that Dr. Campbell would preach his sermon. He had five preachers for his funeral, but as Dr. Campbell use to laugh and said, "But only one of them was legal." Dr. Campbell pleaded with a member of my family to give his heart to Christ until tears ran down my relative's face.(But I thought Calinists were no suppose to be evangelistic or care, believing if God wanted to do it he would). How little do we know. All of the doctrines of grace are invitations, the most intensely evangelistic invitations ever made to sinners.

posted Thursday, July 09, 2009 11:10 PM | Report Abuse
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Gene Scarborough
Dr. James has given a good "nutshell" description of the varied background of theological debate of the SBC in the past.

HOWEVER I think it depicts a slice of "over-intelligent" religion tantamount to the first argument of Christiandom which separated the Greek Orthodox from the Roman Catholic believers. They were splitting hairs over the meaning of "homoion" and "homoosion" in the Greek. The dabate was over the sacriment of communion and whether the bread and wine actually became the blood and body or whether it symbolized the blood and body. It was as if the Christian were cannabals if they believed in the "actual" blood and body. The Greek words are so similar only a zelous intellectual would care to take time for it.

The church leaders debated to their heart's content and came to hate one another. Meanwhile the poor were suffering terrible deprivations. It reminds me of the story told by Socratees (I believe) about a donkey being ridden up a hill in ancient Rome. It seemed the donkey was growing tired and the rider was debating whether to lead him, ride him to death and eat his flesh, etc.

As the great orator drew the attention of the audience to the dilemma with vivid descriptions of the moral decisions involved, he suddenly stopped. He paused. Then he continued:

What a shame--you are more interested in the fate of a donkey than you are in the great questions of today regarding how to treat your fellow man, deal with enemies, and seek a great and loving society in which to live!

It reminds me of the way Jesus chastized the Pharasees for hair-splitting over the law when it was more important to heal a man on the Sabbath than to obey the strictest interpretation of the law.

Think about it as we move forward into the future. Does anyone really think in this economically stressed day with war overseas and people dying daily, that studying what kind of Calvinist you are makes a real difference???

Think about it, my brothers.

posted Monday, July 13, 2009 6:04 PM | Report Abuse
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Robby

In response to Gene's post. Amen! No matter who is right in the Calvinism debate it does not change what God has called me to do it only serves to distract me from the task. Some say they are of Paul, some Applos and some now Calvin. I say I am of Christ and Him crucified.



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Dr. James Willingham
When I was a child, I lived in Hell where the adults in my life were threatening to murder one another. One man, the epitome of W.W. Sweet's description of the Farmer Preacher of the Baptists in his Story of Religion in America, preached the Gospel of Sovereign Grace faithfully, and one day Jesus showed up in the hospital room of the man that was my grandfather and it led to his conversion. I can remember the pastor, Rev. George Washington Gray and the Deacon praying with my grandfather. All those threats of murder stopped. The man began to read his Bible and pray three times a day. When I was converted, I wanted to tell that man, my Grandfather about it. My ordaining pastor was a firm believer in Sovereign Grace (and the only man named in Dr. R.G. Lee's will to preach his funeral). Since Sovereign Grace transformed my life (I was a professing atheist seeking to make converts to atheism, when I was converted) and the life of others, and since Shubal Stearns, Daniel Marshall, Basil Manly, Sr., and Jr., and Dr. J. P. Boyce, and Richard Furman and the Mercers and many in my own family, including Craigs and Middletons preached this message of Sovereign Grace, and since it still transforms the most hardened and depraved sinners into servants of the Lord Jesus Christ as I have seen in my own life time and ministry, I hardly think I am being overly intellectual. Baptists were always the people who insisted upon the meaning of the words as in Baptizo meaning immersion. They are the same people who Sweet says are the ones that get the credit for religious liberty in this nation. Some I have known think religion is feeling, emotion, with little or no connection to the hard facts of reality. All I can say is that such would have never converted me from hard-headed atheism. I was converted as the result of a vision/hallucination of seeing Jesus standing facing me, with his hand raised like he was knocking at a door (and this when I did not believe any of it was true). My response was to run the other way, but before I arrived home something changed my mind. That is why I hope they put on my tombstone two Bible verses, Rev. 3:20 (which describes what I saw) an Acts 16:14 where it says of Lydia "whose heart the Lord opened."(which describes what happened to me, causing me to call upon God to forgive me of my sins and a burden I did not even know I had was lifted off my heart and I cried tears of joy). I am listed in the Inernational Who's Who of Intellectuals, III, Cambridge, Eng.: IBe, 1980, whatever that means (and I think it means very little), but having my named listed in the Lamb's book of life counts as utterly incomparably beyond anything in this world. Today, I received an e-mail from our son who is in Ukraine with some of the members of his church engaged in ministry. When I think he entered the ministry in 1994, because I preached a sermon on Gratitude (I Th.5:18), I am thankful beyond words for Sovereign Grace and for every person who bears witness to the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ whether they believe it is by Sovereign Grace or not. The original liberalism came from Sovereign Grace ministers of the Baptists (our predecessors and ancestors in some cases), and I hold to it as the most intellectually and emotionally satisfying interpretation of the Biblical and Historical Faith of Southern Baptists and which is still believed and preached and practiced by those who know it. One of my text books in college was W.T. Conner's Christian Doctrine. Not many know it, but the modern emphasis on Sovereign Grace among Baptists, southern and independent, came right out of Conner's Systematic Theology class at Southwestern. Curtis Vaughn taught my brother-in-law the book of Ephesians at Southwestern, and he maintained the doctrines of grace in that class as my brother -in-law, now a DOM in Montana, told me years ago. And which Dr. Vaughn maintained in his Jan. Bible study on that Epistle of Ephesians. I do not say I am of Calvin. I never read him until years after I came to believe in Sovereign Grace. I don't think much of any one who causes any one to be put to death for a view which Calvin did. Besides there were Baptists-like people dying for the doctrines of grace before Calvin was ever converted or even born and that I know from 6 years of research in Church History covering over 250 sources and more than 3000 5x8 notecards. What I like from my study of the Christian Faith is how factual it is, how founded in hard reality, sort of like the grass that the ghost from the netherworld had to walk upon in C.S. Lewis' Great Divorce. He who denied the reality of the Faith found he was walking upon grass that was so hard it cut his feet. If memory serves correctly, he screamed in pain. Lewis was another atheist impressed with the hard factuality of the faith of Jesus Christ. What a privilege it is to live and labor in a day like this. I am thankful to God for His kindnesses to me...and that includes the severe hardships of a broken home as a child, terrible fears, the loss of a whole family, and many other distressing occurrences. It is a privilege to follow Jesus wherever He leads.

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Gene Scarborough
Dr. James Willingham--Hallilujah, praise the Lord, you HAVE been saved. You have a testimony, but it is hard to read above and, sadly, many won't even read such a dense paragraph.

Congratulations on your Who's Who of Intellectuals, Cambridge(no less) 1980. Your pride at getting such--then a denial of being over-intellectual don't quite match.

I am Emory University, 1967(psychology)/ SEBTS 1970 / LUTCF 1989 / Series 6 Securities 1996, if we want to brag. My proudest is SOHN 1970-2009--if you are wondering--School Of Hard Knocks and the degree is earned daily in this failing economy and backbiting religious world I have known since my first church in 1970.


Dr. Floyd Watkins, a Southern Literature professor / great friend / wise country boy from N. Georgia, taught me and others his most important lesson outside the books we read and discussed. It was NO paper submitted to me will exceed 80 words in legnth!! If it is 1 word over, you get an automatic "F"--no exceptions!

Use words wisely and sparingly. Break it into short paragraphs--few people really care to read in these days of "educated illiteracy!" It seems the more degrees--the more stupid rules. How many PhD's or CEO's do you know who can crank a lawn mower, much less sharpen the blade or change the oil and spark plug?

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Dr. James Willingham
Dear Gene: It is obvious that you have been hurt, and hurt badly. We have all been there in one form or another.Trouble comes at us from all sides and from the inside. I happen to like ideas, especially theological ideas, the truths that the Bible, even if I don't really understand them very well. I also care for people. Life is full of griefs. As I draw near to the grave, I think the most comforting thought is that God in His love is Absolutely Sovereign, and His grace is Amazing to a wretch like me. Such grace is worth sharing with others. Though I have accomplished pathetically little in life, I am thankful for the privilege of trying...even to the point of getting fired.

posted Saturday, July 25, 2009 8:00 PM | Report Abuse
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Gene Scarborough
Dear James:

Somehow I knew we had lots in common. At age 63 I find myself more reflective and analytical than ever. Perhaps it has to do with my work of taking down dangerous trees--any one of which could kill me or my men. The closest call I have had was with a skinny dead pine I did for free to keep the neighborhood boys from getting daddy's handsaw and having some fun.

I put that little long,dead, tall thing into a 3' wide gap when it is almost impossible to be so accurate with a dead tree. What I didn't know was the 3' dead top broke off as the tree started down. It fell from about 30', grazed my hat, and brushed my liver with close to "sucker punch" force. God saved me from a head bashing and I have never again cut a dead one without my hard hat on "just in case."


I have paid a high price for trying to be authentic in living, and honest in preaching to 2 very corrupted churches--they both fired me without any warning. My comment is: "How many preachers have been willing to tell the whole truth of the Gospel despite risking the wrath of church leaders who would rather be teased and pleased over being told the truth about Jesus.

In these experiences I learned why Jesus is described as "a man full of sorrows and acquainted with grief." Until we face hard times, maintain our faith and integrity, we have not earned the right to wise commentary on any subject.

I hope we both may claim that right and keep on commenting. I like you, my brother! We both probably need to try for the 80-word-or-less rule in order to be read and understood.

Give me a hit at Gscrbr5@redscable.com and we can share some more good thinking! It is a joy to meet someone who thinks more deeply than most folks these days.

posted Sunday, July 26, 2009 8:17 AM | Report Abuse
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Dr. James Willingham
Dear Brother Gene: It is hard to know how to communicate, something that has troubled me all my life. And lik mst pecers I have a tendency to say to much. I do know the rules of lean prose as it called, but rules get broken every day. Life does come at us rather sudden, and things have a way of turning out differently than we hope and expect and even pray for. I am sure we both have some war stories to share. You being the son of a Baptist preacher have a long and distinguished life of service. I have a son who is a preacher. He is on a mission trip to Ukraine with some of his church people right now. Hope to have him back by this week end. Perhaps we can get together for frienship purposes. I have been praying for a great awakening for the whole earth for a long time, every since 1973. Things have steadily grown darker. Perhaps that is the reason for hope. But it might well be beyond my life time. Death is never far these days as I was reminded over this weekend. God grant you His continued blessings.

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